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    Curious if MS2 will replace MS1, and if so... how fast would the transition happen?

    "After seeing the review video on Maplestory 2, it looks really animated and by that i mean too animated. Personally i dont really like too 3D games like Maplestory 2 and Dragon Nest etc."

    I saw this comment, and I have to agree a little... though further update with the game may improve in time. I know only alpha version came out and we'd have to wait for beta and eventual release of the game to know for sure... but what do you guys think and why? Would it end up like Starcraft2, or this means the end of MS1 in swift blow?

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    Hello Nathan,

    In my (semi-professional) opinion.

    Regarding the quote. I've read A LOT of comments saying that 3D sucks, the squares sucks, too animated, etc. But come on, think for a minute and please bare with me, if it was up to you, what would you have done? I can guarantee that if the developers would have stick with 2D A LOT and by A LOT I mean literally millions of MS1 players would be all like "Meh 2d, seems like the same game, what changed?" you have to understand that they needed a change, why make a sequel if it was going to be very similar to the first one game in the first place? Might as well keep with MS1 but expand it... like they have been doing since 8 years ago when it came out. They made a new game and they had to make it different.

    I've never play Starcraft 1 or 2 for that matter but I've read quite some comments people saying that it will be the same and it will fail(?).
    They planned on creating MS2 about 7-8 years ago and started developing it since 5-6 years ago. They are taking a lot of effort to make this game, all the features that it has, it looks to me that it will be an amazing game, like any other game it won't last forever, it will depend on it's further updates in the upcoming months. But for a Beta release, oh man! yes it will be a success. It has role play, 100% customization character, PvP, Housing System, mini games and MORE... my point is that it's target is for different types of players so everyone can enjoy it.

    And finally the end of MS1... I mean anyone still plays that shit?
    Haha no mean to offend anyone out there. I quit that videogame about 2 years now, though played it 2006-2012 but let's face it! MS1 is SO broken! It's 100% Pay To Win, I got 5 Characters to level 200 and then I quit. (Mechanic, Jett, Corsair, Bucaneer and Canoneer)
    But regarding your comment no, I don't think it will die when MS2 goes out. I am pretty sure MS1 still has a few million users that will stick to it but yes the game will eventually die, (in my experience, I'll give it about 4-5 years tops and then it will be completely isolated) slowly players will change to MS2 or simply just move on and quit the game.
    This will happen due to lack of Users, it won't be profitable anymore for Nexon, they will still need to pay for Servers, Rights, Developers, etc. they'll let it die. You will notice less and slow updates for the game in he upcoming months/years. For comments I've been reading seems like it's already dying and it's Population has decreased already by a large amount, but don't take my word for it, those are comments I read, I wouldn't know for sure.

    I look forward to hear from your feedback, Nathan! Tell me what YOU think.

    (I read all MS2 forums, I got nothing better to do at work)
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    Hmmm... semi-professional opinion? As a veteran player or someone who's actually in the gaming industry (hence, professional)...
    There's no doubt that companies like Nexon probably wants to not rush it and after tapping all the best programming resources Korea has to offer, I'm sure they know what they are doing. If they were smart, they wouldn't design Maplestory 2 to make MS1 obsolete but have something that could potentially complement MS1... but that's for KMS. In other game platforms like GMS, it's easy to see MS2 replacing MS1 I think due to is low demand.
    What I do on the side is very interested in long shelve life of KMS1, so it'd be nice to know. KMS1 still seems very healthy, at least compared to other platforms like GMS1, and I hope it survives long enough for me to milk it good.

    Just curious, how active is the game market forum section here? I may need to tap on that resources later.

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    Hello Nathan,

    I have a masters degree in marketing (not-gaming related) though I specialized in Company's Profitability. Nexon is a company and as such their job is to make money, not to keep Users happy, they wouldn't give 2 damns about their Clients as long as they can rip them off. I would put myself in Nexon's manager's/marketing shoes and think what would be the best marketing move. I can guarantee that Korea MS1 Team has a complete flawlees marketing department. Gachapon, EXP Coupons, Clothing, Pets... AMAZING ideas, do you any idea the millions of dollars they made with that? Brilliant ideas, man, pure gold in pixels.

    They know what they are doing, don't think there's a meeting with 5 guys sitting and be all like "what's a good idea for a videogame", they involved hundreds of people to make such decision, to make the game 3d I can assure they at least needed 50 good reasons why would it be better, how much it will cost, how much they will make, how long it will take, etc. projects like this takes months to even contemplate and plan.

    Regarding "MS1 obsolete" I wouldn't know their thoughts on it but I would go for "We created it, we got millions of dollars off it, we are losing Users, we will keep on losing Users since we broke the shit out of it, so fuck it. Not worth investing on it (at least not much) anymore"

    I wouldn't know about the Population about KMS1 so I rather don't comment on it, I was referring to MS1 Global (America) this whole time.

    And the market forum I've got no idea, man. I joined this Forum about a week ago but seems like it's kind of dead. At least for MS2, which are the only threads I read.
    Cheers!

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    MS1 and MS2 feel like very different games to me. Kind of like a new entry in a game series that is nothing like the previous but only carries the name over for marketing purposes. I'm sure as long as there are enough players between both games to generate a profit for Nexon then both should stay for a while.
    MapleStory overall has seen and is still seeing a decline as games such as LoL, WoW, StarCraft, Hearthstone, ArcheAge, etc. (listed these as they are the top most popular in Korea at the moment) have appeared on the market. There's a lot more diversity in games in general to play that MS doesn't look all sparkly and shiny now to those who are looking for a F2P MMO or any game in general. Is Maple Story 2 going to change that? Doubtful.

    As to your original question, MS2 will not per-say replace MS1 but MS1 will simply phase out as less and less players are joining and continuing to play. Might take 2 years, might take 10 years. Unpredictable in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin View Post
    MS1 and MS2 feel like very different games to me. Kind of like a new entry in a game series that is nothing like the previous but only carries the name over for marketing purposes. I'm sure as long as there are enough players between both games to generate a profit for Nexon then both should stay for a while.
    MapleStory overall has seen and is still seeing a decline as games such as LoL, WoW, StarCraft, Hearthstone, ArcheAge, etc. (listed these as they are the top most popular in Korea at the moment) have appeared on the market. There's a lot more diversity in games in general to play that MS doesn't look all sparkly and shiny now to those who are looking for a F2P MMO or any game in general. Is Maple Story 2 going to change that? Doubtful.

    As to your original question, MS2 will not per-say replace MS1 but MS1 will simply phase out as less and less players are joining and continuing to play. Might take 2 years, might take 10 years. Unpredictable in my opinion.
    Very true. i like 10 years figure, but that's very optimistic view especially considering how long MS already endured so far. Are online game players spread out evenly on all these games, or are there distinctive winners that I should know about? LOL and Dota seems to get a lot of attention in my college campus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan View Post
    Are online game players spread out evenly on all these games, or are there distinctive winners that I should know about? LOL and Dota seems to get a lot of attention in my college campus.
    If you haven't play League of Legends, you need to play it ASAP. Don't go to YouTube to watch the gameplay, to me it seemed SO boring at first sight, but when I played it... HFS!!
    Only thing you can buy with real money are skins for your Champions, that's it. It requires amazing skill to be good at it, it's 100% competitive.
    Once you hit Level 30 and join Ranked Solo Queue you will forget what life is. Riot will own your soul. Way too entertaining, definitely in my Top 10 videogames of all time.

    In many comments/threads (including the one and only Spadow) mentions that Nexon should learn a lot from Riot Games, due the fact that Riot can make their game amazingly fun without being Pay-To-Win. There's no need to pay to be good and/or have fun in a free videogame.

    I actually LOL'd when I read the 10 years comment about MS1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarvinMelodrama View Post
    If you haven't play League of Legends, you need to play it ASAP. Don't go to YouTube to watch the gameplay, to me it seemed SO boring at first sight, but when I played it... HFS!!
    Only thing you can buy with real money are skins for your Champions, that's it. It requires amazing skill to be good at it, it's 100% competitive.
    Once you hit Level 30 and join Ranked Solo Queue you will forget what life is. Riot will own your soul. Way too entertaining, definitely in my Top 10 videogames of all time.

    In many comments/threads (including the one and only Spadow) mentions that Nexon should learn a lot from Riot Games, due the fact that Riot can make their game amazingly fun without being Pay-To-Win. There's no need to pay to be good and/or have fun in a free videogame.

    I actually LOL'd when I read the 10 years comment about MS1.
    Hmmm... well, from the developer's POV this is how they can max the revenue and milk the teats of players silly. It's not a longterm solution of course but basically, they will do it if they can get away with it. Look at COD series. Fundementally, nothing too excited has changed since COD4. But why bother taking a risk and make changes to appease the majority tyranny? Until people start defecting en mass, that won't happen since investors like consistent and proven business model... but that's just me.

    I'm very old-fashioned when it comes to gaming, which I don't do as often as I should. I still play old ass Diplomacy game with broken AI system on my smartphone. I so need gaming friends lol... most of them are colleagues and coworkers. The only game I'm waiting for is the finale of Starcraft2 trilogy. Still so pissed off that Command/Conquer Generals 2 is off the shelf. Nowadays, I end up mutlitasking other shit while I watch or just listen game cutscene collections from youtube.

    How low I have sunk. Sigh lol

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    Honestly, i believe that MS 1 will always be around because... the only players who play MS1 right now is those who love MS1. MS2 is an entirely different game, its kinda like asking if ragnarok 2 will ever replace ragnarok 1. (Just imagine that RO 2 wasn't a complete disappointment) The answer would be no because those who loved RO 1 will still play RO1, maybe play both but they wouldn't drop RO 1 for RO 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by batcat View Post
    Honestly, i believe that MS 1 will always be around because... the only players who play MS1 right now is those who love MS1. MS2 is an entirely different game, its kinda like asking if ragnarok 2 will ever replace ragnarok 1. (Just imagine that RO 2 wasn't a complete disappointment) The answer would be no because those who loved RO 1 will still play RO1, maybe play both but they wouldn't drop RO 1 for RO 2.
    Oh they'd be insane to pull the MS1 plug when MS2 comes out, hands down. What we are asking is when MS2 comes out, will MS1 players defect to MS2 (or other online games) significantly enough for Nexon to seriously consider pulling the plug... especially when MS1 has been around fairly long already. GMS seems like an easy target... EMS to lesser degree since they've been stagnating far worse than KMS.

    Anyone know if China has their own MS? (CMS) I used to hear a lot of Sinophobia cause some Chinese players would use Korean social insurance number... but I donno that's because they wanna play the big league like some of us are or if there's no Chinese MS so they're all trying to smuggle in like US/Mexico border. I know Taiwan has their own thing, but not sure about the mainland.

 

 
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